“We have to put life at the centre of everything.” Anthea Lawson

E215 – Unlearning Realities

Future Visions

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How do we create planetary scale transformation on a local level?

“We have to put life at the centre of everything.” Anthea Lawson

In this live episode Amisha gathered with Helena Norberg-Hodge, Anthea Lawson and Jae Spencer-Keyse to explore how we can create a collective vision that is aligned with what the majority of humanity is yearning for and that can forge transformation from a local level to a global level.

We explore

:: our relationship with the more than human world

:: diversity

:: economic literacy

:: localised food economies

:: parenting

:: radical and meaningful education

:: sacred and big picture activism

“Every single human being on this planet is connected to and dependent on the living system of mother Gaia, which is an infinitely vast, complex, forever changing reality at the core of diversity. It’s at the core of every single thing that lives.” Helena Norberg-Hodge

Helena Norberg-Hodge is a linguist, author, filmmaker and pioneer of the new economy movement, is the founder and director of Local Futures, and the convenor of World Localization Day and the Planet Local Summit. She is author of the inspirational classic Ancient Futures, and Local is Our Future and producer of the award-winning documentary The Economics of Happiness and of Planet Local. She is the founder of the International Alliance for Localisation, and a cofounder of the International Forum on Globalization and the Global Ecovillage Network. Helena is a recipient of the Alternative Nobel prize, the Arthur Morgan Award and the Goi Peace Prize for contributing to “the revitalization of cultural and biological diversity, and the strengthening of local communities and economies worldwide.”

Anthea Lawson is the author of The Entangled Activist: Learning to recognise the master’s tools (Perspectiva Press, 2021), a book exploring why activists can end up recreating the problems they are trying to tackle. She was previously a campaigner for international human rights organisations, working on campaigns to shut down tax havens, prevent banks from facilitating corruption and environmental devastation, and control the arms trade. At Global Witness, she launched a prize-winning campaign that changed the rules on secret company ownership and resulted in new laws in dozens of countries. Before that, she was a reporter at The Times. She is currently working on a second book about activism, and is an editor at Dark Mountain.

Jae Spencer-Keyse is a passionate facilitator, learning designer, activist, and co-founder of Futurecraft – community-centred journeys of discovery and co-creation for the body, mind, and soul and Radical Reimagination – a collection of initiatives aimed at addressing the urgent need to re-envision and co-create learning experiences and life as a whole. They have over 12 years of facilitation experience, designing events, curriculums, online courses, residencies, and festivals.Locally, Jae helped co-create the Totnes Climate Hub and develop peer-to-peer and project-based learning at SANDS school. Their work champions alternative education practices that prioritise well-being, creativity, connection to the sacred, and community engagement. They are also a photographer, deeply enjoying capturing the beauty of human expression and connection through their lens.

To connect or work with Helena, visit helenanorberghodge.com

To connect or work with Anthea, visit anthealawson.uk

To connect or work with Jae, visit radicalreimagination.com

To connect or work with Amisha, visit amisha.co.uk

artwork video: Robert Downie . artwork portrait: Li Hui

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